"The Most Interesting Minds in the World" are Optimistic
In writing the last post, I discovered Edge, an online community for "the third culture" that claims modestly, "Its informal membership includes of some of the most interesting minds in the world."
Edge asserts that "third culture" intellectuals "are taking the place of the traditional intellectual in rendering visible the deeper meanings of our lives, redefining who and what we are." Big of them. And who are these "leading thinkers? Ah, I should have known: Mostly, the usual suspects, er, I mean the "free thinkers," or "brights," or whatever other name they give themselves at a given time, which I guess is now third culture.
So, I decided to read some of the essays about why some of the most interesting minds in the world are scientifically optimistic--which is the current Edge question being pondered by all that gray matter. As with most group efforts of this kind, the entries vary in quality. Some are quite good--primarily those essayists who actually stuck with science. Thus, Oliver Morton of Nature expresses why his "current optimism is for solar energy." He explains: "The simple facts of the matter are that the sun provides more energy to the earth in an hour than humanity makes use of in a year...I am optimistic that direct solar conversion-photovoltaic cells and their future analogues will come to take its place among and then surpass these more established technologies a lot more quickly than most people outside the area currently imagine." Sounds like a good reason for optimism to me.
Unfortunately, others, such as philosopher Daniel C. Dennett, use the question as an excuse to express prejudice against that old materialist bugaboo, religion (which isn't an expression of science but a knock on the competitor by the quasi religion of scientism). Thus, Dennett sees, "The religious fervor of today is a last, desperate attempt by our generation to block the eyes and ears of the coming generations, and it isn't working. For every well-publicized victory--the inundation of the Bush administration with evangelicals, the growing number of home schoolers in the USA, the rise of radical Islam, the much exaggerated “rebound” of religion in Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union, to take the most obvious cases--there are many less dramatic defeats, as young people quietly walk away from the faith of their parents and grandparents." Right: A radical Islamic jihadist equals a home schooler, equals George Bush. Good to see logical and rational thinking for a change!
And some are just plain dumb, as in the transhumanist entry of MIT professor Marvin Minsky's push for immortality through uploading our minds into computers: "Once we embody our minds in machines, we'll find ways to expand their capacities. You'll be able to edit your former mind, or merge it with parts of other minds--or develop completely new ways to think."
Meanwhile, George F. Smoot, a cosmologist, sounds about as optimistic for the future as Woody Allen: The earth is going to melt some day! Eeek! "A careful assessment and years of experience that show that the long-term future is most bleak...This is the fate that awaits us, if we manage to work our way past the energy crisis that looms as the Sun runs out of fuel and in its death throws expands as red giant star likely to engulf us after boiling away the seas before it collapses back to a slowly cooling cinder eventually to leave the solar system in cold darkness." Wait a minute! I thought transhumanism would bring us immortality!
Intellectual efforts such as this can be interesting and are worthy endeavors. And it isn't the authors' fault that Edge is so laughingly full of itself. But really. If this is the best that the most interesting minds in the world have to offer, maybe we had better give some boring minds a chance to contribute.


7 Comments:
The big question I have is, if you download yourself onto a computer, where are you supposed to be?
So here I am, hooked up to a machine, and my thought patterns are transfered to a computer so that they're exactly replicated. But I'm still in my body, right? I mean, after all, I'm the original program, the original copy as it were. When I install "The Sims 2" onto my computer, the game is still on the original CD. An expanded version is on my hard drive now, but the original is on the disk. So there's another me running around, one that this mind can't access, and it's having a grand old time, and meanwhile I'm still faced with plain old death.
Transhumanism says that the mind is created by the brain and that the mind can't be in two places at once (which those of us with ESP will say is sheetrock, but we'll go with their ideas for the moment).
That means that either *you* are experiencing yourself from the POV of the body you were born into, or you're on the computer. You can't "move" your self from the brain to the computer, so there's no guarantee in any way that you'll actually *be* on that computer. You might be stuck in your body while a copy of you goes off to virtual Hawaii, but I see no evidence that you'll be enjoying the Mai Tais your virtual self will be indulging in.
So at that point you have to believe either that the moment the body dies you'll "jump" to your copied self on a computer, or else you have to believe that while another "person" with all your memories is going to Bermuda, you'll still be faced with blanket non-consciousness as you die.
As for the idea of replacing organic matter with cyber material and leaving your mind inside "your own brain" all be it in computerized form, that reminds me of a joke where two women go to visit George Washington's home and are shown the "original axe" used to cut down the cherry tree. "It's the same axe, ladies, it's only had its grip changed twice and the blade three times."
Too many promises with absolutely no proof. People are so scared of dying that they're willing to place their bets on something untried and unproven.
At least with religion you have proof that some good comes of it - spiritual visions frequently lead to more benevolent behavior, the human brain has a few "God spots" suggesting that there's some kind of connection between the mind and why we have religious beliefs, and people are more willing to want other people to live if they think that God would be angry with them for randomly murdering folks.
...and when I hear about Hindu younglings talking about their past lives and nail the facts on the head, or when I read about Christians who have met Mother Mary, or Buddhists who have achieved a state of absolute oneness, I'm more inclined to buy into those than something totally unproven.
If you download your mind into a computer, you become post human and perhaps, if that is your desire, part of a group consciousness. I think your body is discarded. Not sure abou that.
C'mon, Wesley, they have an astonishingly broad variety of thinkers there: they made sure to include the anti-religious, the transhumanists, AND the anti-religious transhumanists!
But seriously, I agree that the entries sticking to science rather than veering off into ideology are pretty good.
TE Fine: "You can't "move" your self from the brain to the computer, so there's no guarantee in any way that you'll actually *be* on that computer."
Exactly! It utterly boggles my mind how many transhumanists ignore the simple fact that a copy of your mind would be A COPY and therefore an entity distinct and separate from you. (That's assuming it's possible for it to be an "entity" in the first place.) Now, it might be comforting to some to know that after death simulacrums of themselves will continue dancing around in a crude parody of the originals, but that does absolutely nothing to prolong the existence of their own consciousnesses.
Wesley:
Thanks for explaining the position of the transhumanists, but I still see serious problems.
1) Transhumanists are materialists, and materialists say that there's no consciousness outside of the brain because the brain produces consciousness through some process that "some day we'll discover" (as they have said for years).
2) For you to be able to "download" yourself onto a computer, what you're doing is transfering the patterns of your thoughts to the computer. How can you actually put your real thoughts into a computer? Again, the CD analogy - you can only mimic your mind, not re-create it, and you can't be in two places at once (if you believe in materialism), so that means that either you're on the computer (which we can't prove will happen), or you're stuck in your body while a copy of you (whose eyes you cannot see through) goes off and joins the "group consciousness."
3) If you discard the body, you're still facing eternal non-consciousness, unless you can be SURE your mind has somehow been transfered to a computer.
But this is ridiculous! If the mind is created by chemical reactions, and everybody has a *different* mind despite having the *same* (or very similar) reactions going on in their brains, then there's no guaranteeing that "downloading" yourself will do anything but put a SIMS version of yourself onto a computer while the real you is stuck in your body!
Transhumanism promises much but if it can't figure out how the eff the mind comes about at all (and I don't forsee that happening any time soon), then how can they KNOW that they can move it to a computer?!
Has anybody ever addressed THAT problem on any of these websites? I think not.
Bernhardt:
THANK YOU! That's exactly it! Nothing about personal consciousness is addressed. For some crazy reason transhumanists assume that moving the mind to something artificial would be easy.
It wouldn't bother me if these folks were religious and saying that they were moving the soul to a hard drive, because that would make sense - but then that would be silly as hell because why would you want to prolong life if you believed in an immortal soul?
Or if they believed in ESP and Telepathy, which both rely on the notion that consciousness exists outside of the body and is received by the brain like a radio or televison signal. THEN these ideas would be reasonable.
But come on, if you don't believe in something existing outside of pure materialism, then how can you justify believeing any of this crap?
Tabs: Think of it as eschatology. Transhumanism is religion. It is faith that science will save them from death.
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