American Journal of Bioethics Review of Secondhand Smoke: The Negative
Labels: Secondhand Smoke. Wesley J. Smith. American Journal of Bioethics. Review. Stephen R. Latham
This is the second post on the review of SHS in the current American Journal of Bioethics. We have already highlighted the positives that Yale University bioethicist found with SHS, and now I would like to reply to his criticisms. Latham writes:To be clear: This [human exceptionalism] is a world-view, not an argument. Smith is not a philosopher. Do not come to SHS for a clear statement of the justification for his human exceptionalism, or for a rigorous discussion of the methods by which we can ground human rights without consideration of human capacities. Smith is a polemicist, and like any polemicist, he can be maddening.
Well, Secondhand Smokette would agree with that last point. And yes, I am a polemicist, although I hope in the best sense of that term. But that isn't all I am and I don't just make assertions, nor do I tub thump and name call. Indeed, I have argued often for the reasons why human exceptionalism is both right philosophically and morally compelled, as well as the necessary predicate to universal human rights. I devote a whole chapter on that issue in the new book on animal rights that will be out in the fall. But Latham is right: I don't do philosophy per se. I do policy and ethics.
Here I think Latham is completely off base:Someone could oppose, on principle, the dehydration of Terri Schiavo without minimizing the extent of her disability and without demonizing Michael Schiavo—but Smith is not that person. Someone could oppose the destruction of embryos in research even while recognizing that research's exciting and unique medical potential—but that is not Smith, either. On SHS, the messy world of facts always magically lines up with the core moral theory.
As to ESCR, I never denied that scientists were excited about the field. Indeed, I have always written that this was an ethics debate not a science debate. I have also posted about the advances that have been made in ESCR. I have, however, been very critical of the hype in which the pro side has engaged and focused on advances in human trials with adult stem cell research and otherwise that the MSM and many bioethicist advocates for ESCR tend to downplay or ignore. I have also deconstructed the nonsense that the field has been starved for funds and exposed the junk biology and term redefinition utilized ubiquitously by ESCR proponents to win a political debate, which I have justly called a corruption of science.
Latham then makes a very common complaint made by bioethicists: Smith's second-most maddening attribute is his tendency to slap the title "bioethicist" onto people who take positions he disagrees with. If they are really bad, they’re "elite bioethicists" or "utilitarian bioethicists." Smith normally talks about bioethicists: in more or less the same tone that Charles Dicken's Mr. Micawber used in describing Uriah Heep.
I must say that I am growing weary of my critics' constant whine that my book paints with too broad a brush. In my view, that is merely a way of insulating bioethics from any meaningful or systemic criticism. But just as one can criticize the general belief system of, say, Republicans -- even though there are differences among those in the GOP -- it seems fair to me to mount a macrocriticism of bioethics.
Latham concludes with a good criticism and a pointed question that deserves an answer: Finally,the "links" section is fairly lame, including only websites of the institutions with which he is officially affiliated. Both the Hastings Center’s Bioethics Forum and the American Journal of Bioethics's own blog.bioethics.net link to him, but he does not link back. Why not?
Thanks again to Latham for taking the time to review SHS and to the AJOB for publishing it. I really appreciate it.


34 Comments:
I am glad that SS was reviewed, however, I find may of Lanthan's criticism's obnoxious and reflective of his own worldview. Human exceptionalism is just as much an argument as quality of life is. Moreover, his assertion that you minimized TS' disability and demonized her husband is a common claim by supporters of that act. As a woman, I would not want my husband living with another woman and making decisions for me at the same time. Period. Everything about that runs contrary to basic precepts of feminism/equal rights for females. No one in their right mind would argue that a husband living with someone else should be able to retain power over his nondisabled wife's decisions or well being. Moreover, it is a technical fact that Teri's condition, regardless of its nature, rendered her disabled, and that this is an appropriate term to describe her situation. I get the feeling that the only acceptable designation many accept is that of brain death or PVS, which can be scientifically disputed.
Brain dead she most certainly was not. (Aside: I read an otherwise quite conservative--if I may use that term--news article on some of these issues today which referred to Karen Ann Quinlan as having been brain dead. Made me feel like tearing my hair, but it was a simple case of not being informed.)
Congrats, Wesley, on the not-too-negative review, and on making such a gentlemanly response.
I'm still grinning at the huffiness on Latham's part over your calling people bioethicists. It's an insult, now? Reminds me of a philosopher who said he'd never shoot into a crowd unless he could be assured that every member of the crowd was...a journalist. Can't remember who said it.
Latham strikes me as more of a "name caller” than a philosopher. Such is the stuff of which ad hominem fallacies are made.
One could argue that if someone is engaged in critiquing bioethical issues are they not acting as bioethicists?? Or is the definition of that term the exclusive property of rags such as the American Journal of Bioethical Review. Me thinks this is a bit polemical in itself.
HHH
Now THERE's a latte-drinker. One can sense his exasperation at what doesn't agree with his own point of view. There's nothing that can be done with these people; they just are what they are. Yes Wesley your response was gentlemanly.
I think if the best criticism he can come up with is that you're committed to a specific worldview (who isn't), that you call a spade a spade, you, well, call a spade a spade (again), and you've got a lame link section... if that's all he's got on you, you should feel pretty good about your blog.
It does seem to me, though, that the whole "bioethics" enterprise is not a good thing, and that identifying with that "forum" and self-referencing in those terms is counterproductive. There are also a couple of things that concern me about "human exceptionalism," but I've mentioned them repeatedly on SHS. The objective is correct, but some of the premises and steps along the way are unnecessary and circular, which costs support and leaves open to criticism, by those who aren't concerned with those items, but with defeating the entire objective. I know I'm never going to change SHS's position on animal rights; if I could the rest wouldn't be an issue either. It's great that SHS is doing what it does, nevertheless.
"I have always written that this was an ethics debate not a science debate."
You then immediately step off the ethics soapbox and into the realm of success or failure of research!
"I have ... focused on advances in human trials with adult stem cell research and otherwise that the MSM and many bioethicist advocates for ESCR tend to downplay or ignore."
How is the success and failures of ASCR an ethical issue?
Rather it seems to me primarily pro-life red meat.
DS-clearly, your argument in regard to ESCR is based on personal suppositions that you hold, not everyone accepts that as valid, and pro-lifers are being scientitic when they state that ESCR does involve the destruction of human life. The cell is alive, it's human. It's not a dog, and it's not brocilli.
"pro-lifers are being scientitic when they state that ESCR does involve the destruction of human life." - SAFEpres
Hmmm, not what Wesley just said
"I have always written that this was an ethics debate not a science debate."
and your response didn't address my question.
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"The cell is alive, it's human."
IPSCs have a complete human genome that is 'alive' and they are cells. Using by your 'scientific' definition IPSCs are human too, which contradicts everything this blog and pro-lifers say...
Or maybe its not Science but just your opinion.
"How is [sic] the success and failures of ASCR an ethical issue?"
The mainstream media behave unethically when they ignore ASC breakthroughs to make room for lesser ESCR achievements. It is unethical to tell viewers that the one form of SCR that's been helping people for years "isn't as promising" and that the more controversial type that's still never helped a person is the "holy grail of medicine."
"IPSCs have a complete human genome that is 'alive' and they are cells. Using by your 'scientific' definition IPSCs are human too, which contradicts everything this blog and pro-lifers say..."
Sure, cells are alive, but mere cells aren't human beings. A human embryo is a complete human organism -- a human being. Hope that helps.
bmmg39 -
A human embryo *is* a complete human organism, with all its chromosomes and genes, etc. However, so many people will look at what you wrote and say, "No, it's not a human, it's a cluster of cells," simply because it resides inside its mother's body for the first nine months of existance. You can *say* that an embryo is a complete human being, but science will only support you to a point. At some point it says, "Well, it doesn't have a brain and doesn't think, so it's not human."
Which annoys me because I recall reading some early American settlers' writings about the Native Americans and how they were inhuman, damned, evil, etc., all because they were Mongolide in facial structure and dark in skin complexion. And how African slaves weren't human because they were even darker complexted. And how one Protestant writer said that it was pointless to try to bring Christianity to the "heathens" because they were doomed to damnation for being animals, anyway.
If you want equal treatment for all "races," both sexes, and all ages, then you have to accept that from conception to natural death, all people have equal rights to life, liberty, etc. etc. (.....I can't spell "persuite." Sue me.)
I mean, come on, we still have a sex slave trade throughout the world. I read in a Reader's Diagest (yeah, yeah, get on my case later) story about a woman who was trapped into coming to America in her teens and then told she'd have to work as a pleasure worker to pay off her "debt" to the men who brought here here - and then they proceeded to gang rape her to teach her, a virgin, how to have sex.
Anybody who's *not* appalled by this needs to really rethink his position on good and evil and whether it exists or not.
So if you want to say, "That's not right!" then you have to be prepared to say, "That's not right!" if something is happening to *any* human being, or else you start letting the door open.
"That's not right! ...unless it's happening to black girls."
"That's not right! ...unless it's happening to old women or men who are too old to work."
"That's not right! ...unless it's happening to disabled people, who don't produce much anyway and use up our resources without giving anything back."
"That's not right! ...unless it's happening to a baby that's not been born yet."
See? But I'm betting that Dark Swan doesn't give a care about that. It infringes on his right to rip apart an embryo and try to live forever.
Bioethicists? Bah. Immortalists, I say. What, exactly, is the goal of killing an unborn baby except to be able to live forever and indulge in any little desire? If you die, then you either 1) go to Heaven if you do the necessary prerequisits, 2) go to hell and suffer for eternity, or 3) cease to exist. There's only one positive possibility there, and two negatives. Given those odds, more people would prefer to live forever, or at least for a very long time, before taking a dust nap, and hoping that they just turn to dirt instead of burning.
Because come on, what else *really* is medicine for? For a Hindu, the object is to live long enough to have a good life, burn off bad karma, and eventually join with God. For a Catholic, it's to live long enough to be united with Christ and live in an enduring heaven with him after death. For a Jew, it's to live a long and positive life, with less emphasis on the afterlife than on the resurrection and the joy of being on a resurrected Earth with God. For a Buddhist, it's to live a positive life, unburden yourself from the things that tie you to this world, and unbundle yourself, so you never reincarnate and cease to suffer. For a Muslim, it's to live long enough to come to an understanding of God and be received by Him.
For a non-believer, it's either to live a good, fulfilling life and leave a positive legacy behind, as is the case of ethical atheists, or it's to live as long as possible because there's nothing afterward, and to get in your kicks now before you disintegrate. The very last case is the most troubling, because those are the people who really *want* immortality. They *want* to do whatever they can to keep from dying and ceasing to be. And they don't care who they take out to get there.
By the way - most Christians (Catholics included) have stopped living with an eye to Heaven and are more interested in enjoying the Earthly life, so there are an *awful* lot of Christians out there who are "pro-choice" or some such because they live in the moment, and they agree with that last outlook - live as long as possible, so you have the ability to repent and go to Heaven anyway, or else to put off Hell as long as possbile.
SAFEpres: Dogs and broccoli are alive too. They say that vegetation feels pain and screams when cut; but we can't hear it, whereas we the pain and distress of animals is obvious to us, and that should be the determining factor. As for messing with embryos, we are not supposed to; they belong in the safety of the uterus, not in laboratories, in the first place. Something greater than ourselves is behind their creation, and just because we can create them by mechanical means doesn't mean that we were ever supposed to do that in the first place. It's Frankenstinian, and look what else we're doing at the same time with the same "science and money trump everything" mindset. The human race certainly has created a situation for itself.
It is unethical to tell viewers that ... the more controversial type that's still never helped a person is the "holy grail of medicine."
Who said this, by the way you portray it should be all over the news world? Or is this more propaganda?
bmmg how can you not see the same contradiction you build around yourself as Wesley? Sorry but, its obvious that speaking to the success of one stem cell type over another as a reason for ethical justification is speaking directly to the success of the SCIENCE.
So your morals are variable based on what works and not the ideology behind them?
If they are based on success of science then when cures are found via embryonic cells you are just as guilty of being immoral? Or does blame only work one way that benefits your beliefs.
So your answer is also the opposite of what Wesley said,
"I have always written that this was an ethics debate not a science debate."
...and then he to goes on to use scientific evidence as a defense for his ethics, a total contradiction that still has not been explained.
Dark Swan: I don't understand a good part of what you're saying, but I too see some of the inconsistency you are pointing out; that, in my view, is part of what I can't accept about the doctrine of human exceptionalism; without it, in my view, human exceptionalism would be more persuasive, and more persuasive to many more people, and more able to help bring about a world in which the culture of death is not tolerated and the life of every human is safer and more respected.
I have to say, though, that no one else I know of is doing what Wesley is doing via SHS, which is a great service, and the objective of defeating the culture of death is certainly correct. That's why the issue of use of animals in research is exasperating in connection with human exceptionalism; opposing it only would strengthen the ability of the doctrine to be effective in turning things around.
Seems to me HE is similar to Christianity wrapped up in a secular package. We are the chosen beings! I have yet to see much fundamental difference between the two.
I'd genuinely be interested to hear what those major differences are.
bmmg39: "It is unethical to tell viewers that ... the more controversial type that's still never helped a person is the 'holy grail of medicine.'"
Dark Swan: "Who said this, by the way you portray it should be all over the news world? Or is this more propaganda?"
I keep forgetting that you haven't opened a newspaper in the last ten years. If you prefer a RECENT Exhibit "A," then compare ABC's WORLD NEWS TONIGHT's giving the announced upcoming ESCR human trial for spinal-cord injury it's LEAD-STORY STATUS on Jan. 23, while (last week) no story at all ran about the exciting ASC human trial against MS that's actually HAPPENED and helped most of the people in the study.
Looking for an Exhibit "B"? Hit the library and pick up TIME this week.
Seems to me HE is similar to Christianity wrapped up in a secular package. We are the chosen beings! I have yet to see much fundamental difference between the two.
Swan: Your statement above commits the Genetic Fallacy. You are saying because Wesley's approach is similar to those used by Christians it makes him automatically wrong. Stick to issue at hand and do not fall prey to labeling.
HHH
"You are saying because Wesley's approach is similar to those used by Christians it makes him automatically wrong."
I never said he was wrong. and since when is discussing HE not a critical issue on SHS?
do not fall prey to labeling
I know man those things can be addictive, Ive got them all over my records and computer, my cat...my attmept at humor.{HUMOR}
The review was surprisingly balanced, as is the discussion about the politicization of bioethics.
We might actually find out what happens if the media notices take notice that conservatives are not without some merit.
Interesting that since you do not make your claims on religious grounds, Latham found it necessary to attack you on morals and human exceptionalism.
Who's surprised when expectations of actions and intentions are aligned with what is right?
Isn't it less than logical for people who believe in evolution to expect the rest of us to allow them to go unopposed when they propagate views and actions that deny human exceptionalism.
I never said he was wrong. and since when is discussing HE not a critical issue on SHS?
Are you claiming that the statement below is a compliment and not a criticism?
We are the chosen beings!
I know man those things can be addictive, Ive got them all over my records and computer, my cat...my attmept at humor.{HUMOR}
I hate the labels in my undershirts and I would label your attempt at humor as funny.
HHH
Dark Swan: I see "human exceptionalism" the same way, and I reject both it and the Judeo-Christian ethic for the same reasons. As far as I'm concerned HE involves logical fallacy and self-crippling circular reasoning, and the Judeo-Christian ethic, also circular and illogical, as a backward step and a downhill slide in the progress of civilization, and in conflict with the rationality that is the crowning glory of mankind, and with true humanity. I think they are both part of the death culture itself.
Wesley: I didn't like Dickens when I read whatever I read of his work as a kid, and and I don't remember anything about Uriah Heep, but my father was always referring to Uriah Heep and whatever he stood for in a way that taught me that if indeed you are referring to bioethicists as Heep was referred to in Dickens, you're absolutely on the right track. On HE, I'm concerned about that aspect of it which I can see from the outside sabotages its ability to defeat the death culture. Which has nothing to do with the great work SHS does. It just could do more of what it is working hard to do otherwise.
Ianthe: Thanks for your support. On what do you base your views? It was "rationalists" who gave us eugenics, for example. Peter Singer claims the mantle, too. Now, I believe that secular humanism began as a way of upholding human welfare and wellbeing from a purely rational perspective. But it seems to be sliding fast into anti-humanism.
HE is a secular approach to guaranteeing universal human rights, which is directly opposed to the COD. Unless all life is equal. And if that is true, it will cause tremendous human harm since we would have to give equal consideration to everything along with us. So, I don't see how you can uphold humanity without HE.
Wesley: I'm not interested in those who call themselves rationalists and end up with eugenics; that's an assumed mantle of those incapable of complete thinking and unaware of what complete thinking is, not based on rationality, but intended to persuade in their own favor; I'm interested in what's rational, and in order to be rational, something has to be logical, and in order to be truly logical, something has to adhere to truth, including the truth involved with emotion and with the value of life. If it's not life-affirming, it's not rational. I don't even know what secular humanism is; all these terms get created and their existence only makes matters worse for people who have to live their lives in a world affected by those who made them up and spend their time theorizing.
I believe it is rational for humans to be happy enough to be alive and think well enough of themselves not have to imagine that they are the creation of some God that made them in His image and gave them a special status, and that it is rational to be skeptical, not to place "faith" in what we do not comprehend. We've got enough right here, and our senses tell us what is right and wrong. The concept of being born in sin, "transcendence" (I don't even know what that is, and it doesn't seem necessary if we are in balance), etc., demean man. Then it becomes necessary to prove that we're better than other species in order to regain a sense of self-regard we never should have given up in the first place. I understand what you mean theoretically,that unless we have a special status each member of our species does not have an equal right to life, but I don't think it works that way. I don't think status has anything to do with it. It is the nature of man for the rights of all humans to be equal, and not to be cannibals, for example, at least in general; human exceptionalism carries the Victorian connotations of missionaries bringing the word of God to our little brown brothers and uplifting and civilizing them, as well, along with the science of that time. My objection to animal experimentation, as I've said here many times, is that it involves two wrongs: It causes suffering to the helpless and innocent, while interfering their right to be as Nature created them, and its ultimate effects for humans are negative. Those two things are not inconsistent. Human exceptionalism artificially sets up a system in which humans are all equal, which depends on other species not being equal, to humans or within themselves, or having rights, as if we have to draw a line or the other species and their rights will be a threat to us. I say, just use common sense, and be humane to ourselves as well as to other species. I do NOT feel we are entitled to the "benefits" of animal research. If that's the best science we can do, we don't deserve benefits. We can do much better than that, and if we don't we suffer the consequences, which we're doing, as SHS alerts the world about every day. But then, I don't think man is in the image of God; I think it's better for man to be skeptical, rejoice in life, and make God in the image of man, with full awareness that we don't know everything.
p.s. I think that giving equal consideration to everything else along with us would do the human race a lot of good, not harm. Not doing that has led to our doing ourselves harm. Basically, if the other animals wouldn't do it if they could, we shouldn't either.
Well, giving equal consideration to animals and nature would lead to tremendous human harm. But let's not argue that.
Is it "rational" to be "life affirming?" It is certainly ethical and moral. But the very arguments being made today by "rationalists" claim that such a belief is irrational precisely because it assumes there is value in life itself. How do you answer them?
Wesley: Do you mean that the "rationalists" claim that such a belief is irrationals precisely because it makes an assumption (that there is value in life itself)?
First of all they can call themselves "rationalists" all day long and that doesn't make them rational. As you've noticed, I don't believe in standing on ceremony. I also don't believe that it's a good idea to treat those who are uncivilized by civilized means when life itself is at stake, and likewise to debate those who are uncivilized (which this "school of thought" is) in the forum of ideas according to the gentle rules of the academy, where they don't even belong, is to give them too much rope. I've found in life that when dealing with this type the blunt approach is most effective. They want to use the rules of society, civilization, the academy, etc., against the interests of those entities and of humanity, and take advantage of being treated with more respect than they deserve. Thus this kind of scenario requires calling a spade a spade. Socrates said that when one argues with a fool, one is being a fool oneself. That is why I oppose the notion of participating in the enterprise of "bioethics," which was deliberately constructed in order to further fraudulent ends, and legitimizes those who should be ostracized. They have to be called out for what they are, not joined and debated with as if they were legitimate.
Generally it is not logical to assume anything. But this is a different kettle of fish. No debate on this issue even could take place if we were not alive, and thus the assumption that life is worthwhile is in a category by itself, not in the category of "assumption" that can only be made by those already alive. That can be explained to them; whether they are capable of getting it -- or admitting it -- is something else again. This needs a more street-smart approach than an academic one. First of all, they have to answer the question whether their OWN lives have value. Now, they wouldn't be carrying on with their nonsense if they truly believed that they did. The answer would probably be the "I don't have to answer that question," evasiveness, and revelation even by manner of lack of character that would be to be expected of them. At which point they need to be pressed, and pressed, unrelentingly, to answer the question, and reminded that after all one is entitled to ask it. If they say no their own lives don't have value, one says well, mine does to me, and if yours don't have value, it's because of what you are, but I'm not a lowlife like you. They don't expect to be spoken to that way, and it puts them on notice that the other side has teeth. It's the only way to deal with that ilk.
There can't be rationality without life. There can't be anything without life. That is why the assumption that life has value is in a category exempt from the category of all other assumptions. If they're brighter than the average "rationalist," even capable of enlightenment (for which they will thank one one day), they'll start to get it. If not, the point is to be made over and over, unflinchingly and adamantly and relentlessly, until they see their game isn't going to work, put their tail between their legs, and slink off. They know they are not worth arguing with, and telling them that usually works, especially once they see that they are dealing with tough-mindedness they don't have it in them to match. It also helps to confront this type with the point that their position itself involves an assumption -- that there might not be value in life itself. That will confuse them (not hard to do, they're already confused or they wouldn't be seeking refuge in the mantle of "intellectualism" to hide the lack of intellect that they themselves know is their problem; pointing out that that's what they are doing will give them the headaches they get from trying to think and not being able to, the very thing they were trying to avoid in the first place).
How can what is ethical and moral not be rational, anyway? How can there even be ethics and morality, not to mention anything else, without life? Life is a fundamental premise that transcends the notion of assumption, and thus is the most fundamental assumption of all. They can be asked whether water and air and food and sun have value, and where do they think they will be without those. No harm in slipping in the notion of euthanasia by dehydration, starvation, suffocation, and that of "being in the dark"; at this point they're trembling and they don't know why.
They have to be beaten into the ground if the rest of us are going to survive. It's not that hard to do. Arguing with them on their terms only sabotages one, and that's what they want. They're wrong; life is right. There is no rationality, nor ethics, nor morality, without life, and all of those four concepts are inseparable. They've stolen the term "rational" just as "bioethicists" have stolen the term "ethics"; they wish to use the stolen property in a perverted manner in order to destroy life. Tell them it doesn't belong to them. They already know that and will squeal and protest, at which point they'll start to unravel themselves and their own "arguments" and "rationale." There is a saying that if one can lie one can steal, and if one can steal one can kill. It never hurts to remind them of that, either. The sheriff doesn't ride into town at high noon to shoot the bad guy assuming that the bad guy might be a good guy, his equal, the equal of those for the sake of whom the bad guy has to be driven out of town, etc. They aren't wearing the badge; they claim to be wearing the badge of qualified intellect, but it's a fake one.
Agreed. Because they claim it does not make it so.
"They have to be beaten into the ground if the rest of us are going to survive."
Indeed, Ianthe. Indeed. But it is hard to do because facts don't matter much anymore. True rationality doesn't matter much anymore. In the end, these become issues of raw power. And when logic gets in the way, logic is the loser.
It's irrational to assume that there is value in life itself? I'd like to hear them explain that one. After they've gone on with that attempt, if they dare to try to make it, there will be as many spots to poke through holes in their argument as there are in a spiderweb or a sieve, and one can keep poking through them to one's heart's content until they run out of breath. They accuse one of being irrational and making an assumption when one says that there is value in life, but that's because they're trying to use offense as defense. Let's see them actually explain WHY it's an assumption, and prove that there is NOT value in life (other than via their own lives, and they won't be able to handle having the latter pointed out; they weren't expecting it; they were expecting to be able to get away with playing a game of their own choosing on their own terms, and thought they would be protected by the mantle of "intellect" which is not rightfully theirs). They're like little kids playing dress-up and pretending to be adults, and it always helps to remember that when dealing with their type.
Wesley: I said above that it's rational to be skeptical. That doesn't include being skeptical about life because one can't be skeptical at all, about anything, if one isn't already alive. I'd like to see a dead guy be skeptical. (Actually on the other side our souls understand much more than they did here.)
Facts don't matter much to WHOM? To them? I know what you mean, and what you mean about logic being the loser when it crosses paths with raw power. But that's exactly why I'm saying that the only way to beat them with logic is to insert logic into the process in such a way that it confuses them and gives them headache, and to confront them with a street-smart approach, rather than in terms of having respect for them in civilized debate in which they claim to be engaging but are only pretending to be engaging as a tactic to disarm one and achieve their ends, and to use the raw power of relentlessness and holding one's own ground and having and showing confidence in one's own position when dealing with them. Basically they are bullies, and bullies don't like being stood up to, but being stood up to can work with bullies, and the one thing bullies can't stand is having a higher authority than themselves brought into the picture. In the case of intellectual bullies, that's oneself, and in the case of institutions, that's the government and public opinion. The one one stands up to them and it is known that one is standing up to them, the more others who had thought one can't fight city hall are encouraged to stand up to them also. It takes time, but it can happen. The bully can't handle an angry mob. That's why they want to argue their opponent one at a time and outnumber him or her.
They even attempt to identify those who oppose them as just one group, "the religious right," etc. The very concept that those who who oppose them are a lot more than that is intimidating to them. That's why a multi-faceted, unified front that the public can identify as a multifaceted, unified front and feels more comfortable joining is necessary. It can be done.
Ianthe: That is precisely what is being worked on, e.g. disabilty rights activists (liberal, secular generally), advocates for the poor (liberal, both secular and religious), pro lifers (religious, coservative, generally), etc.
Wesley: What about the elderly? Actually they are most key to this, because:
The index of the worth a society is the way it treats its elderly. They are more in a position to speak out and to have the means to see that action is taken; they have experience of life, they have made contacts with others through the course of their lives, they have had ability and time to accumulate assets which some may still have available if they wish to contribute to paying for the expense of this undertaking, and they are not necessarily hampered by disability or the social and material limitations of the poor; they have wisdom.
Moreover: The unborn cannot say or do anything on their own behalf, and are are not easy to identify with except via the concept of "that could have been me," and are identified in terms of the fight for their right to live, in the public mind, with Catholic doctrine, abortion clinic protesters, bombers, murderers of at least one abortion clinic doctors (I think that was in or near Buffalo, New York), and emotional right-to-lifers (in other words, like animal rights activists, they carry a certain stigma and "this is just one group" "fringe" connotation.
The disabled are limited to various extents and in various ways in what they can do by their very disabilities, and are not easy for the able-bodied to identify with, and out of fear and denial, the able-bodied do not want to identify with them, and most people are not going to become disabled, or at least do not expect to.
The poor have things stacked against them in various ways as well, and many of those who are not poor find it hard to relate to or feel sympathy for them.
But most people are going to be elderly one day, and out of self-interest, if they are gotten to consider and fully realize that fact, they have a great stake in this issue, and thus the interests of the elderly are the most effective, proportionately in terms of numbers of people that can be gotten to be concerned about the issue and to be willing to be active in insisting it be addressed, argument when it comes to getting people to take the overall issue seriously. Not to mention the large number of adults who are concerned about the well-being of their elderly parents, relatives, and friends.
I don't know how much AARP is doing about the issue. The Gray Panthers decided to support the right to assisted suicide despite acknowledging, of their own accord, that it opens the door to abuse and places others in jeopardy; with friends like them the elderly don't need enemies. It's harder for the elderly, as it is for the disabled, to be activists, than it is for the younger and more able-bodied, and the way society discounts and disrespects them doesn't help any, but there are a lot of them, and many are able to be activists.
I haven't heard of any organizations of and activism by and on behalf of the elderly on the issue that have made noise in the media, etc.; are there any? Everything I've run across geared to "senior citizens" has had to do with nursing homes, assisted living, aides, long-term care insurance, "elder law," estate planning, and "living wills," and that's the extent of it. The very enterprises that should be looking out for their right to live are focused instead on getting them to have "documents" that will enable them to be gotten out the door of life, into institutions that will profit via their assets, etc.; hardly anything is geared to their being able to live as long as possible and to their right to do that. They are vulnerable, societal attitudes are against them, and they are the ones whose voices are most needed to be heard. If they and their rights start getting treated better and the respect they deserve, everything else will fall into place. It's harder to deny life to the younger but disabled when life is so valued that the elderly are encouraged and allowed and helped to stick around for as long as possible, which reflects an attitude that life is indeed valuable and the right to life respected.
My other question is, how are these groups working together as things now stand, how much joint action is there between them, not only within each category (disability, poor, pro-life, etc.), but also between categories?
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