Monday, January 14, 2008

The Corruption of Science by "The Scientists"

The embryonic stem cell/human cloning debates are not about science. They are about ethics and morality and the proper parameters, if any, to place around the incredibly powerful biotechnological sector. Some of us have long contended that the science intelligentsia want a blank check--both ethically and financially--to pursue these agendas unconstrained by checks and balances or ethical limits.

The response by some who want to do human cloning has been diatribe, that not only pooh-poohs serious ethical concerns, but also corrupts science by mutating it into a postmodern enterprise where facts don't matter--narratives do. And it results in some real whoppers denying basic biological truths.

A case in point is dissected in today's First Things blog in a piece written by Ryan T. Anderson, a Christian bioethicist, and Maureen Condic, a scientist with the University of Utah. Their target is Princeton University biologist Lee Silver--and boy do they give it to him good. They quote Silver as stating that there is no essential biological difference between a skin cell and an embryo, and asserting that those who refuse to see that are merely religious ignoramuses.

Silver's assertion is junk biology that would cause a high school student to fail if written in a test. Ryan and Condic reply:

The view--held by almost everyone irrespective of their moral opinions--that embryos are fundamentally different from other cells, has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the scientific evidence. To draw any moral conclusions on how embryos should be treated--be it from a religious or a secular ethical standpoint--one first has to answer the question What is an embryo? Only by settling what an embryo is--a question of biological fact, not theological speculation--can one determine an embryo’s moral status and what interest God and society might (or might not) have in protecting it or permitting it to be killed to benefit others. Our disagreement with Silver is over the scientific evidence. It has nothing to do with religion.
To prove their point, they quote an embryology text book:

The chapter on human development in Keith L. Moore and T.V.N. Persaud's The Developing Human begins with this sentence: "Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell--a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual." Or their definition of embryo: "The developing human during its early stages of development." And consider their definition of the term zygote: "This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)”
This is really indisputable. But some scientists have left that enterprise behind as they pursue ideology as subjective as religion, but still call it "science." Such scientism corrupts science, properly understood. Ryan and Condic's article is too long to quote further here. But check it out. They take Silver down several pegs. And he deserves it.

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At January 16, 2008 , Blogger Bernhardt Varenius said...

Silver appeared on the Steven Colbert Show a year or so ago:

Silver on Colbert Show

Best line by Colbert: "If I let my arm go for a while and didn't wash it, you're saying I'd have babies on my arm?" (Silver conveniently sidesteps this.)

I was left wondering whether Silver is just a con artist/ideologue, or truly the dolt he appears to be.

 
At January 16, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

He confronted me as a member of the audience at a debate I was in at CUNY. He asked why my religion should have any say in these issues. I pointed out that he was the only one bringing up religion, that I hadn't mentioned the matter nor had my arguments depended on God or faith. He smiled and took a seat.

His book Remaking Eden is well written but his moral reasoning is awful when he argues, for example, that a skin cell is akin to an embryo due to the potential of SCNT. No, that would make a skin cell the equivalent of a sperm because you still need the egg. He just seems to grab arguments from the bioethics team and run with them--whether they make sense or not.

Frankly, I don't consider him to be an especially serious man.

 
At January 17, 2008 , Blogger Dark Swan said...

No, that would make a skin cell the equivalent of a sperm because you still need the egg.

And a womb…?

What will you change your story to when reprogrammed cells are artificially fed and execute their biological functions to potentially form viable fetus in vitro?

What “postmodern” reasoning will you change your story for then to accommodate your belief that life begins with an embryo, as by your repeated assertions Stem Cells derived from reprogramming skin cells are not “life”.

Why do you narrow your opinion to only one set of circumstances until science changes the possibility? After all it used to your kind believed that life solely derived from the process of fertilization, only sperm and egg, now it is also skin and egg, can you not extrapolate any further? How long must science make possible things for you to change your relative view on what is life? After all, part what makes this a postmodern society is the new discoveries that science makes possible and forces you to change your “objective morality”.

Some of us have long contended that the science intelligentsia want a blank check--both ethically and financially--to pursue these agendas unconstrained by checks and balances or ethical limits.

You assume that these scientists have no moral conscience of their own and of their peers , which puts you in the self righteous pile. You assume that your perception that programmed stem cells are not viable life is universally true. You leave yourself no room to change your view, and then if you do then everything you say is wrong. You’re blown out of the water.


To suggest science intelligencia are abandon of moral implication is ridiculous. Just because some may not agree with your opinion doesn't automatically make you right either. The benefits of postmodernism, you can both be right and wrong, depending on who you ask.

I don't consider him to be an especially serious man. personal attacks on the man now Wesley? Come on now…

 
At January 17, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Dark Swan: I have based my statements on the assertions of the leading science communities themselves, and leading biotech boosters such as Silver.

A reprogrammed stem cells is a cell, it is not an embryo. It is not totipotent, it is pluripotent. That is the science. Whether these pluripotent cells could be used to do something akin to cloning is a possibility. But that is also true of skin cells. So, your biology is just bogus.

Postmodernism extols narrative at the expense of facts and empirical analysis. One can disagree with my perspectives, but I based my judgments on evidence and reasonable interpretations of evidence. It is my legal training.

To say I don't consider him a serious man is hardly a personal attack. His writing is based on poor analysis and hyper speculation--e.g., we will intelligently design ourselves intoincorporeal beings.

 
At January 17, 2008 , Blogger Bernhardt Varenius said...

Silver is indeed not a serious man. His arguments are embarrassingly sophomoric -- doubly so coming from a Princeton professor!

He just seems to grab arguments from the bioethics team and run with them--whether they make sense or not.

Yes, Wesley, I think you have it right. His approach seems to be all about hoped-for rhetorical impact rather than substance.

 

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